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Liberal Minority Government 2019 - ????

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MilEME09

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So, I just heard an attack ad on the radio, against Erin O’Toole, paid for by the “Coalition for something or other” (Pretty clearly a Liberal Party Affiliate- the NDP and Greens are not after CPC voters).

It was pretty over the top (along the same lines as “Troops. In the Streets. Etc”). The basic jist was that Erin O’Toole is Jason Kenney!!!

So if the Federal Liberals are linking the CPC to the Provincial Parties, turnabout is fair play, no?
I heard a similar ad today, attacking Kenny for wanting to pay cut nurses which morphed into a Erin O'tool and conservatives hate health care. Feels like the election is already on.
 

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I heard a similar ad today, attacking Kenny for wanting to pay cut nurses which morphed into a Erin O'tool and conservatives hate health care. Feels like the election is already on.
Got two calls from the conservative MP for my riding already. Mid say it’s a matter of weeks if not days that we’ll be in full campaign season.
 

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I get it. This place can be an echo chamber when it comes to criticizing Trudeau and the Liberals, and I'm one of the loudest offenders.
Not quite. I just think the politics the parties, all parties, engage in is complete and utter nonsense.

I just find it sad when it starts to appear here.
Your nonchalant approach to Liberal behavior (not all the time, just most IMO) is really reminiscent of all the mess-dinosaurs who laugh about troops getting fucked around or crack jokes about people in positions of power and authority behaving poorly. I'm sure I border on being sanctimonious about this stuff, if not crossing over to it, but that whatever lol attitude really seems to be a reflection of what the LPC stands for, from the top to the bottom.
I tend to not care of what provincial parties do so long as they are not effecting the province where I reside.

This goes for all of them. LPC, NDP, CPC, I could not care less. More on that later.
The Liberal party, whether federal or provincial, tries to sell Canadians on how progressive they are and all their gender equality virtue signaling. They're pretty successful actually in selling that image. People like yourself shrugging stuff like this off empower that behavior to continue.
There are Liberal parties in Quebec, and liberal parties in BC that might as well be liberals in name only. The BC LPC are more politically aligned to the CPC, and the QC LPC want nothing to do with the Feds. The Saskatchewan party is a merger of the Liberals and conservatives, so technically anything they do could be a blight on the federal parties.

The BC NDP and the Alberta NDP fought a public battle over pipelines, and the Federal NDP more or less threw the AB NDP under the bus.

And to top it off, the nomatter which party is in power and who is PM, they all have a bone to pick with the federal government and all say they are getting the shaft with funding.

So I leave provincial issues with the provinces and federal issues with the Feds.

Do the parties do this? No. But I like to think of myself as way better than the gutter politics the politicians engage in.

Poli=many

Tics=blood sucking insects.
 

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Freedom of speech is lovely.

What people do with it is not always lovely.

The CPC has the issue where their freedom of speech is costing them.

They have the choice, they can be right in their eyes, or they can win. They are choosing to be righteous and right in their adherence to free speech.

If the party come out and says that it will not run any anti abortion candidates those voters will go elsewhere. The voters in those ridings may go somewhere else, they may not,but the CPC could no longer be accused of being the party of anti abortion, could they?

Yes. Because some views are no longer viewed as widely acceptable in society. Freedom of speech doesn't mean Freedom from consequences. If I ran around saying gay marriage was immoral and all those sinners would burn in hell, my freedom of speech allows for that, but damn right i would face consequences for it.

The Greens ,Bloc and NDP do similar. I suppose they are Fidel Castro wanna be as well.

There is one major party that allows for this, the CPC. They are the outliers here, not the other way around.

And again, the CPC can do what it wants to do, but they can be punished at the polls accordingly.
So by your way of thinking the party must take a stand and not allow anyone with a different view on some issues to be a part. That is pure unadulterated sanctimonious bullfeathers. And yes all parties that don't permit other opinions are in the same class as the liberals. For all their faults, the conservative party is the only one that actually allows freedom of speech and yes freedom of speech comes with consequences.

If people were actually able to express their views without fear of being ganged up on I think you would find that many, a substantial minority at any rate are not happy with the moral changes that have crept in. They want a standard not an anything goes society. Name calling and ridicule are the methods by which Trudeau et al ensure that their (at least in the recent past) minority views dominate.
 

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So by your way of thinking the party must take a stand and not allow anyone with a different view on some issues to be a part.
No party has to do anything.

My opinion is that a party cannot take a unpopular position and then complain that they lose. It does not matter to me that the unpopular postion is born of free speech, an unpopular position is a unpopular position.
That is pure unadulterated sanctimonious bullfeathers. And yes all parties that don't permit other opinions are in the same class as the liberals. For all their faults, the conservative party is the only one that actually allows freedom of speech and yes freedom of speech comes with consequences.
And that freedom of speech is likely costing them 6 out of 10 potential voters.

If thats the price they are willing to pay, power to them, but they should not complain when they lose elections or cannot compete in urban Canada.
If people were actually able to express their views without fear of being ganged up on I think you would find that many, a substantial minority at any rate are not happy with the moral changes that have crept in. They want a standard not an anything goes society. Name calling and ridicule are the methods by which Trudeau et al ensure that their (at least in the recent past) minority views dominate.
If enough Canadians didn't like those view they would vote for parties with a different viewpoint.

6 out of 10 Canadians are voting for parties with those viewpoints. Take from that what you will.
 

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I heard a similar ad today, attacking Kenny for wanting to pay cut nurses which morphed into a Erin O'tool and conservatives hate health care. Feels like the election is already on.
It has been since before the summer shutdown. Trudeau just never bothered telling the other parties. This let's him wander around smiling and mumbling bumbling through his speeches, handing out millions to buy votes. What he doesn't hand out, he gives to his minions so they can all make their grandioise announcements while pissing away more of our tax money. We know he's campaigning, and he knows, we know. Problem is, as always when it comes to Canadians or Canada, he just doesn't care. He's not a Prime Minister and he doesn't work for Canada, he's a global socialist bagman. He has spent us into 1.3 trillion in debt and when there was no more money, he had the BoC print him more. This is leading us to massive inflation. Normal, middle class Canadians can no longer afford a home. He made an absolute shit show of the pandemic. The fact that we've made out as well as we have is down to the cities and the provinces and the military moving the stuff. Hadju is a disaster, Tam flip flops more than Fouci, Freeland just stays as far away as possible. And Trudeau? He just wanders around passing out our taxpayer money and speaking moistly, dividing whatever groups he can.
 

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No party has to do anything.

My opinion is that a party cannot take a unpopular position and then complain that they lose. It does not matter to me that the unpopular postion is born of free speech, an unpopular position is a unpopular position.

And that freedom of speech is likely costing them 6 out of 10 potential voters.

If thats the price they are willing to pay, power to them, but they should not complain when they lose elections or cannot compete in urban Canada.

If enough Canadians didn't like those view they would vote for parties with a different viewpoint.

6 out of 10 Canadians are voting for parties with those viewpoints. Take from that what you will.
With the exception of 2015, you have to go back to 2004 to find an election where the libs. received more votes than the conservatives so the largest minority is generally onside with the conservative approach and their lead is generally quite substantial. Given the amount of bad press that the PCs generally garner, that is pretty good. If I understand your stand correctly, the only thing that matters is winning. Morals, free speech, convictions are all secondary. Sad, in the end such an approach results in believing in nothing. I'm done
 

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It has been since before the summer shutdown. Trudeau just never bothered telling the other parties. This let's him wander around smiling and mumbling bumbling through his speeches, handing out millions to buy votes. What he doesn't hand out, he gives to his minions so they can all make their grandioise announcements while pissing away more of our tax money. We know he's campaigning, and he knows, we know. Problem is, as always when it comes to Canadians or Canada, he just doesn't care. He's not a Prime Minister and he doesn't work for Canada, he's a global socialist bagman. He has spent us into 1.3 trillion in debt and when there was no more money, he had the BoC print him more. This is leading us to massive inflation. Normal, middle class Canadians can no longer afford a home. He made an absolute shit show of the pandemic. The fact that we've made out as well as we have is down to the cities and the provinces and the military moving the stuff. Hadju is a disaster, Tam flip flops more than Fouci, Freeland just stays as far away as possible. And Trudeau? He just wanders around passing out our taxpayer money and speaking moistly, dividing whatever groups he can.
Against all that, the Conservatives must be doing something truly, dismally wrong.
 

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There are Liberal parties in Quebec, and liberal parties in BC that might as well be liberals in name only. The BC LPC are more politically aligned to the CPC, and the QC LPC want nothing to do with the Feds. The Saskatchewan party is a merger of the Liberals and conservatives, so technically anything they do could be a blight on the federal parties.
As I said above, the BC Liberal party is a free enterprise coalition of everyone between blue Liberals and blue Tories, and will butt snorkel whomever is in power in Ottawa, and generally try not to speak I’ll of any federal Tory or Liberal. NDP are fair game.

When Christie Clark was doing her radio gig between retiring from politics and becoming Liberal leader, she frequently attacked PM Harper and the Tories using LPC talking points (then attack the BC Teachers Federation in the next segment). As soon as she became leader and Premier, she made sure to get photographed of her snuggling up to PM Harper during one of her kid’s hockey games and never said anything bad about him again.

When Justin Trudeau became PM, she became one of his groupies!
 

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Like selecting a 'Vanilla Leader'?

Yeah, that would be one thing...
The other thing is trying to be opposed to EVERYTHING the other parties (i.e. LPC) have as a position….which is not setting themselves up as a Centre-to-Right party, but rather an “Everything-Right-of-Liberals” party.

That’s why the CPC is connecting with far fewer Canadians than they need to…
 

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With the exception of 2015, you have to go back to 2004 to find an election where the libs.
yes, true. If only the CPC vote was more efficient.
received more votes than the conservatives so the largest minority is generally onside with the conservative approach and their lead is generally quite substantial. Given the amount of bad press that the PCs generally garner, that is pretty good.
the victim thing doesn't really garner any sympathy.
If I understand your stand correctly, the only thing that matters is winning. Morals, free speech, convictions are all secondary. Sad, in the end such an approach results in believing in nothing. I'm done
Dude, the PPC are all about free speech and morals as well, and believe they are righteous and right. Should they win elections?

The Bloc are probably the most self righteous party in parliament seeing as they have 1 goal and they have zero desire to rule. You won't find a party with more conviction than them. Should they be handed the reigns of power?

Or maybe the party platforms actually matter? Policies matter?

Believe what you want I guess.
 

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Trudeau basically said anyone who doesn't totally agree with him is not welcome in the liberal party which makes him nothing more than a Fidel Castro wanna-be and the liberal party a flock of sheep.

Well, there was that photo comparison between him, Fidel, and his stepfather, Pierre, a few years ago.

There should be a Maury Povich "Your ARE the father" parody.
 

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Well, there was that photo comparison between him, Fidel, and his stepfather, Pierre, a few years ago.

There should be a Maury Povich "Your ARE the father" parody.
Don't forget to invite Mick Jagger and the dude from V for Vendetta!
 

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Well, there was that photo comparison between him, Fidel, and his stepfather, Pierre, a few years ago.

There should be a Maury Povich "Your ARE the father" parody.



 

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A ad on radio about O'Toole as the "Typical Conservative" by the "Coalition to Protect Canada" hmmm, can't even be upfront as to who you are.
 

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“Coalition to Protect Canada”…??

3:32am local time. Exhausted. But damnit this sounds too dumb to not Google right now 😅
 

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The irony of the prime ministers rapey hands getting a pass is incredible.
It was all about how it was experienced by the parties involved. Regardless, he apologized (mostly because he was caught) and it was a long time ago, so let's move on.

But, look what a GOFO did a long time ago. He needs to act on that NOW! And, he's disappointed in les Canadiens and their recent draft pick because it draws parallels to his past behaviour that the voters may not overlook again. Can we just move on and go after the GOFOs instead?
 
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