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Kirkhill

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Interesting video of a recent strike on the Antonovskiy Bridge at Kherson.

Unfortunately it was via the Express so the feed is mucked up with ads.
Edit: found a better video.

But.

The interesting bit is the SAM response to the attack. They seem to be having some success against the incoming rounds. But the incoming side seems to prevail.

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There seems to have been one effect


This would seem to confirm this report - the superlatives might be premature.


Edit - additional reports

 

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Hmmm. I wonder what would happen if Wagner (and its backers) decided it was done with dying for Putin and not getting paid until the contract was filled and decided to correct that situation ..

I’m just blown away they made such a solid comeback after the USMC decided to simplify the situation in theatre a few years back.


…I should reword that…


I’m surprised Wagner has made a notable comeback after the USMC blew them away a few years back
 

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Some activity from the Joint Expeditionary Force community

Making waves distinct from those of NATO and the EU

Poland joining JEF countries Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Denmark in trying to get the EU to stop issuing tourist visas to Russians.


And Estonia (Tallinn) and Finland (Helsinki) have taken up their historic roles as fortresses controlling the passage from the Baltic to St Petersburg and Novgorod. Together with Denmark (Elsinore) they bottle up the Baltic and deny Russia access to the North Atlantic by that route.


More on the situation

Blue Spear 5G SSM land-to-sea missile systems from Israel. With a maximum range of 290 kilometers (approximately 180.2 miles), the Blue Spear missile system can reach targets across both the Gulf of Finland and the Baltic Sea, and can also be used to strike both moving and stationary targets at sea in all weather conditions, day or night. Likewise, it can autonomously navigate to its target zone, and zero in on targets on its own once it gets in range to do so.



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Helsinki and Tallinn block St Petersburg. Stockholm plays backstop. Copenhagen is safety.
 

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I’m just blown away they made such a solid comeback after the USMC decided to simplify the situation in theatre a few years back.


…I should reword that…


I’m surprised Wagner has made a notable comeback after the USMC blew them away a few years back
They just recruit more people from a broken economy, keeping the economy in some areas down makes for good recruiting. I suspect that Moscow is even less caring of some regions, than Ottawa was of the west in the 1980-90's
 

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They just recruit more people from a broken economy, keeping the economy in some areas down makes for good recruiting. I suspect that Moscow is even less caring of some regions, than Ottawa was of the west in the 1980-90's
But that’s just it…

Supposedly Wagner was providing the Kremlin with elite, ex-SF guys who didn’t give a remote f**k about morals, to go do what would take the conventional army a lot more bodies & effort to do.

Or go places the Russian army couldn’t be deployed to, due to optics, legality, etc.


Like Blackwater in the sense of it being a PMC, but without the hassle of politics getting in the way…

But now? Those guys are dead, ironically enough the few survivors taken out by ‘upper management.’

The recruiting pool of current ex-SF guys will be fairly small with most of them saying “hell no…” or also being dead.



So Wagner may recruit from the poor areas & offer a better deal than the Russian army. But are they going to be as capable as Wagner was once suspected of being? I’m thinking not…

Which is great news for everybody, tbh.
 

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the force awakens GIF by Star Wars
 

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Hearing rumbles of leadership pulling themselves back across certain broken bridges...leaving troops behind.

Interesting if true....

More interesting would be if the UKR forces are able to move forward and collect those left behind with minimal cost...and collect their kit and equipment?

Maybe that was their plan for the 'southern offensive' all along?

Everyone was expecting tanks/APC's to roll forward and attack. Maybe that was never the plan at all? The plan that seems to be working right now is:
1. Say there's going to be an offensive in the south.
2. RUS responds by prepping that front with new troops and surges BTGs into the area
3. HIMARS arrives - destroys ammo dumps in depth
4. Say there's going to be an offensive in the south
5. RUS continues to push troops forward
6. Cut bridges behind troops
7. Wait a bit until RUS troops start running out of food/ammo
8. Say there's going to be an offensive in the south.
9. RUS leadership 'tactically repositions' across what's left of the bridges
10. Not enough functional bridges, barges or pontoons to extract the troops and their gear
11. HIMARS on leadership who left the troops behind (yet to come?)
12. Roll forward and accept surrender of starving/no gas/no bullets RUS troops that were left behind by their leadership (yet to come?)

Thoughts?

Then UKR gets to consolidate behind the river - absorb and repair the captured equipment, continue to HIMARS, and dig in for the fall, prep for either a frozen/winter offensive, or a post-spring-mud offensive?
 

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Hearing rumbles of leadership pulling themselves back across certain broken bridges...leaving troops behind.

Interesting if true....

More interesting would be if the UKR forces are able to move forward and collect those left behind with minimal cost...and collect their kit and equipment?

Maybe that was their plan for the 'southern offensive' all along?

Everyone was expecting tanks/APC's to roll forward and attack. Maybe that was never the plan at all? The plan that seems to be working right now is:
1. Say there's going to be an offensive in the south.
2. RUS responds by prepping that front with new troops and surges BTGs into the area
3. HIMARS arrives - destroys ammo dumps in depth
4. Say there's going to be an offensive in the south
5. RUS continues to push troops forward
6. Cut bridges behind troops
7. Wait a bit until RUS troops start running out of food/ammo
8. Say there's going to be an offensive in the south.
9. RUS leadership 'tactically repositions' across what's left of the bridges
10. Not enough functional bridges, barges or pontoons to extract the troops and their gear
11. HIMARS on leadership who left the troops behind (yet to come?)
12. Roll forward and accept surrender of starving/no gas/no bullets RUS troops that were left behind by their leadership (yet to come?)

Thoughts?

Then UKR gets to consolidate behind the river - absorb and repair the captured equipment, continue to HIMARS, and dig in for the fall, prep for either a frozen/winter offensive, or a post-spring-mud offensive?
If this is the plan: encirclement using geography, IO, and long range munitions; then I think the Ukrainians will have one of the most tactically savvy feints in history under their belts.
 

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Hearing rumbles of leadership pulling themselves back across certain broken bridges...leaving troops behind.

Interesting if true....

More interesting would be if the UKR forces are able to move forward and collect those left behind with minimal cost...and collect their kit and equipment?

Maybe that was their plan for the 'southern offensive' all along?

Everyone was expecting tanks/APC's to roll forward and attack. Maybe that was never the plan at all? The plan that seems to be working right now is:
1. Say there's going to be an offensive in the south.
2. RUS responds by prepping that front with new troops and surges BTGs into the area
3. HIMARS arrives - destroys ammo dumps in depth
4. Say there's going to be an offensive in the south
5. RUS continues to push troops forward
6. Cut bridges behind troops
7. Wait a bit until RUS troops start running out of food/ammo
8. Say there's going to be an offensive in the south.
9. RUS leadership 'tactically repositions' across what's left of the bridges
10. Not enough functional bridges, barges or pontoons to extract the troops and their gear
11. HIMARS on leadership who left the troops behind (yet to come?)
12. Roll forward and accept surrender of starving/no gas/no bullets RUS troops that were left behind by their leadership (yet to come?)

Thoughts?

Then UKR gets to consolidate behind the river - absorb and repair the captured equipment, continue to HIMARS, and dig in for the fall, prep for either a frozen/winter offensive, or a post-spring-mud offensive?
Not unreasonable to think of such a plan. How many RUAF troops are estimated to be in the sliver of Kherson-eastwards and North of the Dnipro River?
 

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stating the obvious but that is one hell of a lot of people to keep supplied using rubber boats and bailey bridges
It's estimated with the bridges lost the Russians would need 26 hours in a day to keep all formations supplied fully. Since a day is only 24 hours, they are already hurting
 

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Some interesting commentary via Trent Telenko

1. The effect of a well placed charge


2. The value of obfuscation


3. Some thoughts on the state of play with respect to Russian artillery logistics - barrels and bullets (long thread)

I read his ‘most important logistical thread’. It was a modestly interesting guesstimate about Russian artillery barrels getting shot out through use and had little real source data on firing volumes to calculate off of. Trent makes some quite interesting threads sometimes, but he can go a bit overboard on talking up the significance of some things too.
 

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I read his ‘most important logistical thread’. It was a modestly interesting guesstimate about Russian artillery barrels getting shot out through use and had little real source data on firing volumes to calculate off of. Trent makes some quite interesting threads sometimes, but he can go a bit overboard on talking up the significance of some things too.
He makes a lot of guesstimates without much data, more so from inferences. Such as RU arty at its peak firing an estimated 60k rounds in a week
 
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