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Czech_pivo

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We don't want you.
Just your resources, as who wants a bunch more sniveling self entitles clown we have enough down here already...
You can have both.
Simply make us a new version of Puerto Rico. No new Senators and a one size fits all approach to Representatives to Congress, voila, it's done without a shot being fired. If you want to 'cut' Quebec out of the equation you can, makes them happy and the majority of the US happy as well (more 'Freedom fries' and less 'French fries'). That would also offer can 'escape' valve for all those self-righteous CDN's who still want to live in 'Canada' and not in the US, as long as they can learn french.
 

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If a couple Tu-95's were actually destroyed, that's basically an irreplaceable loss. And it effects nuclear deterrence. Let's cross our fingers they can't be repaired and the damage is extensive enough to make a couple more of them obsolete.

As far as I know, these are like the B52's in that you can't simply build more of them, or it would be EXTREMELY costly and difficult if possible.
 

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We don't want you.
Just your resources, as who wants a bunch more sniveling self entitles clown we have enough down here already...
Meh. You're just worried with Canada in, the Republicans won't even be able to get elected as dog catchers.

:giggle:
 

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You can have both.
Simply make us a new version of Puerto Rico. No new Senators and a one size fits all approach to Representatives to Congress, voila, it's done without a shot being fired. If you want to 'cut' Quebec out of the equation you can, makes them happy and the majority of the US happy as well (more 'Freedom fries' and less 'French fries'). That would also offer can 'escape' valve for all those self-righteous CDN's who still want to live in 'Canada' and not in the US, as long as they can learn french.

Never forget: the US needs Canada as a place to exile all its second string football players, and thus drive greater competition amongst NFL players.

#footballgulagarchipelago ;)
 

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Even if we significantly increased defence spending on equipment, it would just sit idle in hangars and warehouses because no one is joining.
If we had kit we could likely get a few more people.

It’s a vicious circle. No kit, no ‘sexy’ missions, no sexy missions, no recruits.
The GoC is thrilled.
 

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If a couple Tu-95's were actually destroyed, that's basically an irreplaceable loss. And it effects nuclear deterrence. Let's cross our fingers they can't be repaired and the damage is extensive enough to make a couple more of them obsolete.

As far as I know, these are like the B52's in that you can't simply build more of them, or it would be EXTREMELY costly and difficult if possible.


We have the official version of the Ministry of Defense of Russia about today's events - the Ukrainian army with the help of Soviet unmanned reconnaissance aircraft Tu-141 'Strizh' (Swift), 1979 production, tried to attack military airfields in the Saratov district 1/3

and Ryazan. Old Soviet unmanned aerial vehicles calmly flew about 700 km. over Russian territory, and OPL noticed them only over airfields where strategic bombers designed to carry nuclear weapons were located. 2/3

RUS OPL successfully shot down all UAVs, but parts of the downed drones falling from the sky damaged strategic bombers and killed 3 soldiers. 3/3

Apparently the Russians shot down some of their drones on top of their aircraft - after the Ukrainians used them inappropriately.

Does the US still want to keep Long Range Missiles out of Ukrainian hands?

 

daftandbarmy

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A Swedish tale from Bakhmut via Defmon


If only the UA had a few Machine Gun Battalions, like at Passchendaele ;)

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If a couple Tu-95's were actually destroyed, that's basically an irreplaceable loss. And it effects nuclear deterrence. Let's cross our fingers they can't be repaired and the damage is extensive enough to make a couple more of them obsolete.

As far as I know, these are like the B52's in that you can't simply build more of them, or it would be EXTREMELY costly and difficult if possible.

More on the attacks/incidents (including some video, geo-location referencing, etc):


 

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Does the US still want to keep Long Range Missiles out of Ukrainian hands?

Seems highly unlikely, simply due to the nature of the launcher/missile pod that anything was actually altered.
 

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There us something to be said for a watercooled MG. Curious though, how many rounds until the barrel is shot out? 10k? 100k?

Vickers - 10 guns, 100 barrels, 1 million rounds....

The weapon had a reputation for great solidity and reliability. Ian V. Hogg, in Weapons & War Machines, describes an action that took place in August 1916, during which the British 100th Company of the Machine Gun Corps fired their ten Vickers guns to deliver sustained fire for twelve hours. Using 100 barrels, they fired a million rounds without breakdowns. "It was this absolute foolproof reliability which endeared the Vickers to every British soldier who ever fired one. It never broke down; it just kept on firing and came back for more."[15]

 

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Apparently the Russians shot down some of their drones on top of their aircraft - after the Ukrainians used them inappropriately.

Does the US still want to keep Long Range Missiles out of Ukrainian hands?

Doubt it. The only thing that could do that would be a software patch limiting the range of the targeting. Too easy to unpatch. More likely they just refused to supply long range rockets aka ATACMS. If the WSJ can get confused between a magazine and a clip, or an assault rifle and a machine gun, or a semiauto AR and a select fire M16 the accuracy of their report is equally suspect
 

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Vickers - 10 guns, 100 barrels, 1 million rounds....

The weapon had a reputation for great solidity and reliability. Ian V. Hogg, in Weapons & War Machines, describes an action that took place in August 1916, during which the British 100th Company of the Machine Gun Corps fired their ten Vickers guns to deliver sustained fire for twelve hours. Using 100 barrels, they fired a million rounds without breakdowns. "It was this absolute foolproof reliability which endeared the Vickers to every British soldier who ever fired one. It never broke down; it just kept on firing and came back for more."[15]

So 10k per barrel. Still very very good. And can use the cooling jacket to heat water for your tea!
 

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There us something to be said for a watercooled MG. Curious though, how many rounds until the barrel is shot out? 10k? 100k?
Can be even longer than that. Apparently when they were being phased out in the 50s in the UK they had the armourers being trained put one up to spec and fire it for a week straight until they ran out of ammo, only changing barrels. Apparently it went through over 5 million rounds and at the end everything was still in spec. Insane sustained fire capabilities.

It is the same reason the Ukrainians are sometimes using the Maxim on the Eastern Front, it is the same gun as the vickers just not .303.
 

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The Maxim actually has the lock reversed compared to the Vickers. That's why most Maxims have a taller action/body than the Vickers.

Or something like that...(tucks away my inner gun-geek before I start spouting more off...)
 
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