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US Presidency Post Donald Trump

Baz

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Chris Pook said:
And bringing it back on track: Will Donald's congregation survive his departure?

My sense is that it will because I believe that the cultures from which his congregation recruits predate his leadership.  He is less of a creator than he is a figurehead, or better yet, a champion.

I think he is an opportunist.  He sensed a frustration amongst a group of people and took advantage of it.  Which is why the professional politicians have no answer for his methods.
 

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More of a rallying point of some pretty diverse groups with very different agenda's. It's the Dems slide into sillyness that drives a lot of Trumps power. If the Dems could find a middle of the road candidate that does not alienate people outside their base and can see all of the country and not just the States they are strong in, then they can win and hold. Like Canada, it's the undecided vote that wanders that really decides elections, convince them your not crazy and you do a reasonable job on economy, not tax them to death and not interfere to much, you can win them.
 

mariomike

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Colin P said:
More of a rallying point of some pretty diverse groups with very different agenda's.

A rallying point for some more than others,

The 2018 midterm vote

Percentage who voted for Republican candidates,

Black 9 %
Hispanic 29 %
Asian 23 %
Jewish 17 %
White, born again, evangelical Christian 75 %
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/11/08/the-2018-midterm-vote-divisions-by-race-gender-education/
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/11/07/how-religious-groups-voted-in-the-midterm-elections/


 

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mariomike said:
A rallying point for some more than others,
I wonder how many of the undifferentiated Asians are also Christians of some sort: thinking specifically of South Korea's Catholic and evangelical Protestant communities.
 

Brad Sallows

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The vote share for black and hispanic doesn't look much different than for 2014.  Asian share down.  "White born again evangelical" up a little, assuming it's roughly the same as "white protestant".

Not particularly strong evidence for "rallying point" so much as "typical voting pattern".
 

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Trying not to, but it is hard.

White, born again, evangelical Christian 75 %

Not all whites are Christian.
Not all Christians are white.
Not all evangelicals are protestant.
Not all protestants are evangelicals.
Not all Christians, protestant, catholic or evangelical are born again.
Not all Christians go to any church.

Many people, of all sorts of backgrounds, support Trump... for various reasons. 
Many people accept that everybody has feet of clay.
 

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Chris Pook said:
Trying not to, but it is hard.

Not all whites are Christian.
Not all Christians are white.
Not all evangelicals are protestant.
. . .

All good points, but perhaps discussion of the jumbled statistics provided in that previous post may be better served if the actual comparisons made (in the articles linked in that post) were used, such as demonstrated in these two charts.

FT_18.11.07_MidtermDemographics_gender-race-education-divides.png



FT_18.11.07_howFaithfulVoted_white-evangelical-Christians.png
 

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Thanks

But those polls are demonstrative of net tendencies.  No necessarily reliable predictors.  It doesn't take much rounding, justifiable by considering variance, before you can reliable say half the population is for and half is against.  Half the men, half the women, half the Catholics, half the Protestants, half the College grads, half the non-college grads... etc.

And even a 70/30 split, especially among a very small population, can change rapidly when some small number changes their minds on one or two issues. 

The individual is a lot more important than the group.
 

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Brace yourselves:

Why Trump’s Second Term Will Be Worse

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/12/modis-second-term-could-be-catastrophic/604159/
 

Jarnhamar

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Interesting article.

One of the lines that stuck out to me says

Social-media mobs intimidated anybody who dared to criticize his government.

In Trumps case it's mobs intimidating anyone who supports him.
 

Brad Sallows

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How wondrous for speculation is the universe of outcomes that constitutes "things that are possible".
 

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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/12/modis-second-term-could-be-catastrophic/604159/

Trump’s first term is at best an imperfect guide to the horrors that would await us if he manages to win a second one

The melodrama of the reaction to a second Trump term will be pure entertainment. 
 

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QV said:
The melodrama of the reaction to a second Trump term will be pure entertainment.

If the last four years are anything to go by...
 

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With McCabe off the hook, Barr’s recent comments about tweets and a few other things, I wonder if done in the Republican Party are eyeing the 25th Amendment fir 2021 especially since it appears the Dems are going to hand Trump the election.
 

Brad Sallows

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Using the 25th A would be political suicide.

Barr is just playing it straight, which is consistent with his reputation.

Not every misstep deserves a criminal trial, but if some scalps don't get nailed to a door soon for egregious conduct, tempers will worsen.
 

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CloudCover said:
, I wonder if done in the Republican Party are eyeing the 25th Amendment fir 2021

As far as we know, the current occupant of the White House has not suffered a major stroke or serious brain injury since the election.

He is the way he is.

The people who voted for him , in their wisdom, were ok with that.





 
 
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